The Border Line

By George

July 18, 2008 11:47 AM | Link to this

It is so stupid. The so called victim was a wanted drug dealer, an illegal, and who knows what else. Stupid, stupid, stupid. These men deserve metals not jail.

By Mrs M

July 18, 2008 9:47 PM | Link to this

Well definitely not medals as heroes. These men, one who was in a supervisory position and the other one who was under him, should not have covered up the incident whether or not it would have been reviewed later. That is their only crime. Time served should be more than enough. True there was no victim because the “victim” was a drug dealer, illegally in the United States committing a criminal act, and other previous charges to boot. Politics should by no means play a role in this fiasco.

By SALLY

July 19, 2008 12:06 AM | Link to this

Well what they did was still wrong no matter if the person was illegal or not.And now days its so easy for them shoot or kill anyone

By SALLY

July 19, 2008 12:06 AM | Link to this

Well what they did was still wrong no matter if the person was illegal or not.And now days its so easy for them shoot or kill anyone

By George

July 19, 2008 12:43 PM | Link to this

Baloney. Shooting to kill? Anytime anyone shoots anyone, law enforcement or not, they are subject to an intense investigation and possible job loss. These people are supposed to be able to shoot to defend our country, but aren’t allowed. I can’t believe any of you would defend the rights of a person who was illegal to start with, a drug dealer, suspected of white slavery, and wanted by the FBI. Where is your patriotism? This man was “hurting” our country and our people not the other way around.

By Andy

July 19, 2008 3:25 PM | Link to this

12 and 11 years!!! For shooting (wounding) a drug smuggling illegal Alien trying to come into the country with his dope. These guys should get meddles.

There are people who actually killed someone who do not serve 11 and 12 years in prison, there are child molesters who serve no prison time! there are rapist who serve 2 or 3 years! And these guys get 11-12 years for defending this country?

This is not justice, the justice system is corrupt with politics and judicial activism.

Maybe if the US grew some balls and started firing back at these cartels they might get a message. The fact that Mexico is engaged in a de-facto invasion of the United States by supporting, promoting, and turning a blind eye to a massive illegal migration of people into a this sovereign nation is an act-of-war in my opinion. Mexico is going to hold American politics hostage by exporting a voting block into the United States that will remain true in heart to Mexico. When the immgrants came in the late19th and early 20th century the left everything! crossed an ocean and never looked back. The assimilated and learned the language in a generation.

With Mexico just across the way and the communication technology of today, that type of assimilation will never take place. It will fundamentally harm America in so many ways.

By L1M89

July 21, 2008 4:59 AM | Link to this

“By SALLY & By Mrs M”
Spend more time studying the persecution of Ramos & Compean instead of echoing the lies of Bushes’ pet prosecutor & being a part of an anti American disease. They were doing their job & should have been promoted. Instead they were railroaded by a corrupt judge & prosecutor.

February 12, 2007 Guard The Borders - Dirty Johnny Sutton - Link - http://bearcreekledger.com/2007/02/12/guard-the-borders-dirty-johnny-sutton/

We are still closely watching the Border Patrol case, especially after last week’s explosive news that the DHS had lied to Congressmen who were looking into the case. Close on the heels of that shocking revelation, we noted that U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton, the prosecutor in this case, has lied openly and repeatedly about this case to the media. In an effort to counter Sutton’s lies, here is one of his favorite public statements about Border Patrol agents Ramos and Compean deconstructed:

“These guys did very serious crimes and once anybody who knows all the facts of this case — the fact that they shot at an unarmed guy 15 times, lied about it, covered it up, destroyed the evidence … it’s hard for me to imagine a prosecutor would look the other way,” he said.

1. It has not been proven that the drug smuggler was unarmed. Sutton has been unable to prove it, yet he states it like it’s a fact. Furthermore, two of the drug smuggler’s own family members have made statements that he has been running drugs since he was 13 or 14 and has never smuggled drugs without being armed.

2. Compean and Ramos DID NOT LIE about shooting the drug smuggler. They didn’t know that they had until almost a month later! And it’s still not proven that Ramos is the one who shot the drug smuggler.

3. The DID NOT try to “cover it up”. They verbally reported to their superiors that they fired their weapons.

4. They DID NOT destroy evidence. Sutton has been harping on this because he claims that the site of the shooting was a “crime scene” and that the BP agents knowingly altered the scene of the crime by picking up their shell casings. That is FALSE. The agents, including the agents that were with them at the time of the shooting, did NOT designate the area a crime scene, since they did NOT know that the drug smuggler had been shot.

5. In fact, far from lying about the incident or “covering it up”, Ramos and Compean followed procedures exactly:

U.S. Border Patrol firearms policy specifically states that agents are prohibited from filing a report if a shooting incident takes place and that only an oral report to supervisors is required.

“Ensure that supervisory personnel or INS investigating officers are aware that employees involved in a shooting incident shall not be required or allowed to submit a written statement of the circumstances surrounding the incident,” according to the firearms policy. “All written statements regarding the incident shall be prepared by the local INS investigating officers and shall be based upon an interview of the INS employee.”

INS refers to the Immigration and Naturalization Service, which oversaw the Border Patrol prior to the creation of the Department of Homeland Security. The shooting policy has remained unchanged.

Department of Homeland Security Office of Inspector General documents obtained by the paper show that all nine agents on the scene at the time of the shooting - including two supervisors - knew shots had been fired.

(click on link “for the rest of the story”)

By L1M89

July 21, 2008 5:15 AM | Link to this

Here is more info re. the persecution of Ramos & Compean. Pay attention, our political cucarachas would do the same to each one of you as they did to those former Border Agents.

“Agents Who Testified Against Ramos and Compean Lied”

['Two Border Patrol agents who testified against two co-workers convicted of shooting a drug smuggler will be fired for changing their stories about events surrounding the shooting, according to documents obtained by The Sun’s sister newspaper, the Ontario-based Inland Valley Daily Bulletin.

Sources inside the Border Patrol also say Oscar Juarez, a third agent who testified against Border Patrol agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean, resigned from the agency last month shortly before he was to be fired.

All three agents gave sworn testimony against Ramos and Compean for the U.S. Attorney’s Office, which successfully prosecuted the shooting case in March. The three agents were given immunity in exchange for their testimony despite changing their accounts of the incident several times.

“When you give deals to witnesses like immunity, the government usually gets the testimony (it wants),” said Rep. Ted Poe, R-Texas, a former judge and prosecutor. “This case is a perfect example.”

Documents for their proposed removal were issued to Border Patrol agents David Jaquez and Arturo Vasquez on Jan. 29, and were signed by both agents.

Jaquez and Vasquez could not be reached for comment.']

Link - http://www.immigrationwatchdog.com/?p=3039